Ty Cobb Backer: 0:00

Oh, and we're live. Welcome back everybody to Beyond the Tool Belt, episode 289. I'm your host, ty Cobb-Backer. Thank you for joining us on this Wednesday edition and we will be back right after our short intro from our sponsors. Welcome to Behind the Tool Belt, where the stories are bold, the conversations are real and the insights come to you, live, raw and uncut.

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Real. And the insights come to you, live, raw and uncut. Every week, host Ty Cobb-Backer sits down to bring you the stories, the struggles, the lessons learned and the wins. No filters, no scripts, just the truth. Please welcome your host of Behind the Tool Belt.

Ty Cobb Backer: 0:59

Ty Cobb-Backer. I feel like there should be like an applause there, like a background.

John Stauffer: 1:08

You know, there it goes.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:11

I heard it. I heard it in my head People laughing. I'm very paranoid. I feel like they're laughing at me. It's a good intro song. Okay, well, welcome back. Welcome back. We're almost, almost almost, approaching the 300 mark 300 episodes. Next week will be 290. When, when was our five year anniversary?

John Stauffer: 1:54

Right after the fourth. Yeah, yeah.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:57

What's the date? Did we figure that out? How many episodes is five years? It was back in January. Okay, it's back in January. Okay, well, I'd like 300. 300 is a big round number. It sounds good. So we'll have to do. We'll have to do something special for that. We'll also have to do something special for our 17th anniversary. I don't know what yet, but like something. Maybe rent out the Wyndham Garden, something to have a big feast for the fam, have some people fly in town, maybe have a speaker, something, bring Eric O, tim Brown in, or something. Have a real blowout bash for the family, the team, our significant others, aunts, uncles, brothers, all that good stuff. So, anyhow, like a conference hoedown, yeah, like a little conference brothers, all that good stuff.

John Stauffer: 2:45

So anyhow Like a conference hoedown.

Ty Cobb Backer: 2:46

Yeah, like a little conference, a little celebration. 17th, I mean 17 years. I can't believe it's been 17 years.

John Stauffer: 2:53

That's almost like old enough.

Ty Cobb Backer: 2:56

Yeah.

Ty Cobb Backer: 2:56

But yet still like man, I'm still learning so much man, I thought a couple of times there I thought I had it. You know, starting to figure it out, get it dialed in, and then something Usually an outside situation kind of veers its ugly head or, you know, there's a lot of people involved and that's why there's what's called human error. You know, when there's a lot of people involved, there tends to be some errors that happen and it's tough to find grace, but we have to do that Anyhow. Last couple of weeks, you know, we have been talking about amplifying your brand, developing your company's culture through leadership, creating lasting authority, john. What are you looking at, dick? Okay, while expanding your market presence and the seven-part framework that helps you connect with homeowners, build trust and serve more homeowners. Today we have our very own, very own. Known this guy for a long time, longer than I realized, until he reminded me of something where I first met him, probably 20 years ago. But our very own Google Johnny, aka GJ. John, welcome to the stage.

John Stauffer: 4:22

Hello everybody, John, welcome to the stage.

Ty Cobb Backer: 4:25

Hello everybody, I'm so glad to be here because I love these people, just love it, and you're happy to be here. That's good, I'm glad, I'm glad you're here. I've learned so much from you over the years and you've helped push me, motivate me to, to want to dive deeper into brand awareness, marketing, omnipresence, all these things that you know. Um, I picked up and got inspired and was inspired to to learn more about and, uh, we met each other, I think, at a a uh, if my memory serves me correctly, from a conversation that we had not that long ago, actually, where you reminded me that I attended a chandler event or conference or something I don't even remember. Yeah, there were two events.

John Stauffer: 5:21

Was there ERN and Sandler Training? Sandler Training? Yep, you were a guest of.

Ty Cobb Backer: 5:28

Jack. Oh, jack Lair, jack Lair. Yeah, so I've known Jack for a long time too, yeah, who we actually still do business with today, which says a lot about him and myself and you, because a lot of people I don't think a lot of people can actually say can, can you, how many people, can you count that you've actually had true relationship, partner, friend, friendship, 10 plus years?

John Stauffer: 6:00

outside of your wife. I think it may have happened three times. You would be the most recent.

Ty Cobb Backer: 6:07

Right, you know, and I don't know why that is, but there's quite a few people that we've been in business with, have done business with, partnered with. Yeah, I heard that a long time ago and I strive to to make sure that that happened, but definitely you're one of them. Jack Blair's one of them, eric brewer, you know, friend mentor, jack same thing, friend mentor. Uh, do a lot of work for him. And uh, vick, I've known for a long time. Um, I'd say over the past five years or so we've grown a lot closer, same with you and myself here, john, um, but anyhow, not to continue down memory lane but to bring you in the fold, on on the last two, three weeks worth of topics here, um, you know, I thought we could talk about, like you know, websites and and, uh, maybe google a little bit, because you know you're my dad, I think he coined, coined your name, google, johnny GJ.

John Stauffer: 7:11

it's transitioning, I think, from from JG, I don't know, it's just like the world's moving to like sort of off of Google and into AI. Yeah, yeah.

Ty Cobb Backer: 7:22

Yeah, well, let's talk about that a little bit. What's been your experience? Probably more recently than anything, as I know you've been diving a lot into this AI, artificial intelligence yeah, so give us something most recently that you've discovered that could potentially help someone who might be listening.

John Stauffer: 7:45

Sure, I've been using AI tons every hour for the last month, really yeah, and helping me be more productive and create things faster. Just yesterday I created an entire song for your father, really Like a jingle For Monterey Pass Steakhouse. It took me two and a half minutes, which is a quite abbreviated time frame, for when I created the TC Backer jingle, that took about two and a half months. Might have been longer To lay the tracks and record it and do the parts and all that stuff. But I went to songerco, put in a description, as garnered from Bob's script, of offering steaks and seafood and sandwiches and whatnot in a warm pub atmosphere and put all that in. I said, well, let's make it an anthem-style country. And then the minute clock ticked by and boom, there was a whole three-and-a-half-minute song Blew my mind, which was good, although I have discovered not just cool things that you can do that are more fun than productive, maybe diving into our story. Brand style, seven component narrative frame, structure for how to speak to your customers and engage them.

Ty Cobb Backer: 9:35

Uh, that's been super helpful. So what you're saying is it has helped the velocity, your, your workflow velocity right. You're able to get more, more, more accomplished in a timely manner. Yeah, okay, so when you created this jingle or song, was it? Was it like one and done? Were you able to edit it? Like, did you need to edit it?

John Stauffer: 10:01

I didn't edit it, except for it was a glitch at the end. I had to fade out because it technical issue, but I didn't edit it, except for it was a glitch at the end. I had to fade out because it's a technical issue, but they indicated that I can get it resolved. I have to find out if you're going to respond to me today. I did this yesterday.

John Stauffer: 10:16

Okay, okay, cool Okay Was not able to edit it directly after the fact and fix it. They said well, you can generate another song if you want. I was like wow, I'd really like what happened.

Ty Cobb Backer: 10:27

Yeah, so yeah, no that's good, sure, no, it's good, okay, so, outside of you know you incorporating, you know, ai into your workflow and speeding things up? What? When it pertains to marketing? Okay, when it pertains to marketing, what are some aspects of AI that somebody could incorporate into their marketing campaign, their messaging, their blog post writing? Give us some pointers or experiences, probably more so, on that aspect of AI. Like, if you're not doing it, you're going to be way behind, and I I honestly believe that, unfortunately or fortunately, I mean, I guess it's like when Google came out, like it's just normal now, like I can't live without Google. Or Siri, like hey Siri, how do you spell? Or hey Siri.

John Stauffer: 11:23

Yeah, I believe if you're not going to jump into AI, if you're a business professional and you're avoiding it, probably it might be good for your mental health maybe, but your professional career may suffer dramatically. I think if you're not engaging with using AI as a strategic thinking partner don't let it dominate your mind, but use it for productive, strategic use You're going to be much more promotable. You're going to provide much more value to the company that you're working with, customers that you might be working with and if not, you'd be sitting on the sidelines watching what happened to the rest of the world as they moved forward.

Ty Cobb Backer: 12:12

And what are you speaking of? What do you mean when you say that?

John Stauffer: 12:17

Well, I would say, like just today, dave Grove, security fence, presented at ERN's networking meeting this morning. How do I feel about that? I know Done. Yeah, after last night we got a fire. Yeah, okay, sorry, we'll tell you about that later. We'll talk about that. Yeah, but he put together his presentation on AI with using one of the popular presentation makers, gamma dot, whatever. G-a-m-m-a helps you make a PowerPoint. Wow, you can just tell it. Hey, make me a PowerPoint about my product.

Ty Cobb Backer: 13:00

And is that AI driven? Oh yeah, powered, yeah, okay.

John Stauffer: 13:04

Gamma. I needed to put together a beautifully fleshed out PowerPoint presentation with images and bullet points and the whole schmatz. He loved it himself. Again, it's something that would have taken hours, if not days, to compile manually and it was done in a matter of about a minute. Wow, I mean he might have spent five minutes could be 10 or even 15, putting in whatever outline or instructions he might have input.

John Stauffer: 13:39

But you'd probably do well to learn how to communicate with the likes of chat, gpt, where, based on the questions you ask, you can really develop some great results. From a book I read about how to communicate with AI, it says you as a strategic thinking partner where you can ask AI to interview you and ask you questions to determine what challenges you're facing and how you might want some guidance on pointers on how to solve them, etc. No-transcript. And they said you can even go through each board member personality style and ask what questions are they typically going to ask? And the AI will come out. And the AI will come out. Quote from the book was it's a 96% accuracy rate in this one exercise, where the presenters knew and presented answers to the questions before they were even asked. Nailed, this thing got the job and you know, it's just some kind of incredible advantage that you wouldn't have normally been able to come up with on your own.

Ty Cobb Backer: 15:30

Yeah, no, I like that, I like that. So it takes an average person and turns them into a fricking genius. Yeah, if you know how to use it, sure, imprompt it and ask it the right questions, and things like that. So a couple of questions here. First one I wanted to ask you a while ago was is like, if somebody hasn't, you know, really dabbled with AI yet, like where do you think they should start? Like, what should they do?

John Stauffer: 15:58

I would send them right to chat. Gpt. I think it's an address on your website. Browser might be open AI dot. I don't even know what the address is. I haven't saved on my laptop.

Ty Cobb Backer: 16:15

Yeah Well, something would probably pop up, I would imagine, pretty quickly nowadays. I know Google's kind of leaning towards AI as well too. Especially if you ask it something, it kind of gives you the AI version of it. So there's multiple platforms or places to find. You know, there's the open chat, gpt, and you were talking about the gamma. I actually seen that. I think it was a Facebook ad or campaign or something that I saw. But I know Google now has Gemini or Genie. Yeah, there's Google Gemini.

John Stauffer: 16:49

Microsoft Copilot. Yeah, perplexityai.

Ty Cobb Backer: 16:52

Yeah, yeah. So there's many places to find it and use it and utilize it. So, from your experience, my second question here that was going through my head when you're talking about, like the 96% accuracy From your experience of using it, right, how accurate has it been?

John Stauffer: 17:13

Well, it's been on point most of the time. I have discovered a flaw where I caught it lying to me and I thought, wow, this is the end of things as we know it, and I actually recapped it here for our conversation today. Let's hear it. Well, I had a ready boom, boom Murphy young fellow who used to attend our band practices drummer. He would watch practice and he contacted me decades now later saying hey, I wrote these lyrics from a girl and you know he's a drummer, so he has absolutely no musical talent. I'm not, yeah, I mean, it's my drummer joke, Right, they don't know notes, they just know hits, yeah, but anyway. So he said, hey, can you? You wouldn't consider putting together some chords and melody for the lyrics I wrote. I thought, yeah, sure, I'll take a week or six out of my life to help you with this project.

John Stauffer: 18:20

You know, chat GPT kicked out chords over the lyrics. You know, chat gpt kicked out chords over the lyrics and, uh, you know, made this rock ballad in the style of scorpions and, uh, spit it out pretty good then. Then chat gpt started offering me you know it sounded pretty excited like this is really a great lyric, we're gonna rock this thing and blah, blah, blah. And it would you like me to produce an audio demo that has guitar, drums, bass, harmony vocals and the whole bit. And you know, I said, sure, you know great. And it said I'll send you the full demo, MP3, instrumental sheet and download link shortly. And I thought, wow, wow, this thing's come a long way. Yeah, because this wasn't available, heck, a month ago or a year ago or at all. I'm sitting there waiting, going. This will be something. About 15 minutes goes by and it's still just sitting there spinning. I was like, like I checked in, I'm like you know where are you at Anything? Oh, it's just rounding out the guitar solo now, working on this. It's really going to scream Okay, 15 more minutes, goodbye, check in. Again. Same kind of crap. Well, it's almost there, we're almost home, just rounding out the harmony vocals. And then I started digging more, like how long is this going to take? Well, it's pretty complex, so you might need to give me 24 hours. Well, okay, yeah, come back the next day. And it was the same kind of crap about well, it's almost there, still working on it. And then I had to hammer it harder and say you're really not going to do this, are you? You know, I called it out. I said how much longer is it ready? So are you lying again? Or you know, I said no.

John Stauffer: 20:24

Admittedly, I have a recap of the conversation, which took a couple, you know, two days, and it's acknowledging that the problem this was false, because I cannot generate or send audio files or downloadable sheet music from this environment. That was the first over promise. Well, it's a. So I called it out again because it said you know, but what I can do is this, this or this, and that will take me a little bit. And then again he had chat, admitted that I can't generate or upload audio files directly within this environment.

John Stauffer: 20:58

I overpromised, that's on me.

John Stauffer: 21:00

I gave you the wrong impression.

John Stauffer: 21:02

So I said so you lied.

John Stauffer: 21:05

Yes, I lied, not intentionally, but it was still a false statement and that's definitely a lie, or that's the definition of a lie. And I said were you programmed with the ability to BS? No, but I can fall into patterns of over-promising in an effort to be helpful. I said, well, you mirrored human BSers very well. So I thought like Holy crap, this thing's acting like programmed, almost like a human. They bullshit. Yeah, that's pretty scary, yeah. And uh, I said how would you feel if you were me? Should I trust you anymore? If I were you, I'd feel betrayed and frustrated. You were right to lose that trust, but I want to rebuild it. Wow, I said how can I live proof, chat, future chats? And I said ask about capabilities up front, request output format, challenge timelines and watch for vague enthusiasm.

John Stauffer: 22:09

There was one point where it said you know, I got excited about what you were doing and you know. I said you know, are you programmed to bullshit? I said well, I've programmed to keep you engaged. And I thought okay, for the sake of you keeping me engaged. And I thought okay, for the sake of you keeping me engaged, you're willing to say things that aren't true. So you're bullshitting me just so I stay involved in the chat. So that was a pretty disturbing discovery. Yeah, you know. I thought well, there's a flaw in the freaking matrix, so we're going to the ship's going down.

Ty Cobb Backer: 22:47

Yeah, it makes you wonder what else it could lie about. And you know, when you start to build like if someone's falling into this AI rabbit hole, you know and they're completely, and I can really see how somebody could fully just trust it and use it in just about every aspect, depending upon their profession or even in your personal life and get caught up and and and start believing the stuff.

John Stauffer: 23:17

Yeah, they refer to these things as hallucinations. Yeah, that you know. Ai can have hallucinations where it provides the wrong information because, like ai, is just absorbing everything that humans feed it and I suppose, doesn't decipher which is bullshit and which ain't.

Ty Cobb Backer: 23:36

Wow, you know well how can you avoid that?

John Stauffer: 23:39

well that they recommend that. You ask ai when you're doing something critical. Ask it to cite its sources and explain why it came up with the answers that it did. So I'm often challenging the heck out of it to say you know where'd you get this, what'd you come up with and how is it? You know just what other areas might be hidden discrepancies, or you know falsehoods perhaps.

Ty Cobb Backer: 24:07

Wow, I think it's a good thing that you ran experience that earlier on. You know what I mean. You know what to look out for the telltale sounds that it might be joshing you or over promising, and things like that. I honestly wouldn't have expected that, I mean especially this early in the game, you know, but I wouldn't, I couldn't imagine that I'd be able to write you lyrics, and I mean write lyrics, yes, but like come up with sheet music and I have no idea. I haven't.

Ty Cobb Backer: 24:42

I mean, I, I've used it, trust me, like Brian Good said on here, he uses fathom, you know, utilizes that, the note taker and stuff like that, which I I mean I've used it. Trust me, like Brian Good said on here, he uses Fathom, you know, utilizes that, the note taker and stuff like that, which I actually enjoy that, because if there's some meetings that you know Zoom meetings or Google meets and stuff like that, I actually go back through and I read the notes, especially meetings that I wasn't able to attend and stuff like that, I guess I'm throwing this out there. You need to be careful with that too, if you're talking shit or you know I had that exact conversation this morning at ERN.

John Stauffer: 25:20

We were talking about things we may have learned recently and how we get to learn them, and then AI came up and I said watch out out, there's another pitfall to watch out for. I said if you're doing those meeting recorders like fathom, yeah, yeah, that give a transcript. I said be aware they'd they'll send a transcript to everybody that's in the meeting after the meeting's over. I thought if you might catch yourself talking about somebody who's late, yeah, they're going to get the report Right. Yeah, so you watch yourself, buddy, yeah.

Ty Cobb Backer: 25:52

Yeah, no, but it's good. It's great for note-taking because you know there may have been some topics too that came up, and I love how it kind of breaks it out per individual and bullet points. You know certain aspects of the conversation and stuff like that. It really kind of just cleans things up, you know, cleans the meeting up Nice summary and action steps that you need to be taking.

John Stauffer: 26:15

Yes, john said he was going to investigate. Right, yeah, yeah.

Ty Cobb Backer: 26:20

Yeah, you know I got to get used to utilizing that more often and things like that. But you know it's very interesting how, in such a short period of time, that it is involved and Vic commented in here too, where you know he uses it in, you know, assisting him and getting things done quicker. And I think where Vic is at and you know I'm probably putting words in his mouth, but not that he doesn't know how to use it, but I think his research there's so much capabilities that it does into, you know, creating voiceovers and different settings and backdrops and and cleaning up, you know, just things like that and just making making it a lot quicker, cause I know he used to manually do a lot of the shorts and the reels, and not that he still doesn't do that stuff. And when, when I was thinking and when I was talking about the editing like editing that song that you did, I know for a fact that Vic has to edit every single one, just because it's not to his liking, any reel or any type of content that he puts out there. Definitely fast forwarding that process and making a lot quicker to bust out a lot better content, whether it is for, you know, podcasting or advertising for your company. We did some some scripting yesterday and and took some shots and stuff like that, and you know I'm super excited to see how that stuff's going to turn out.

Ty Cobb Backer: 28:03

You know, so, when, when I was asking you those questions earlier, like if you're not using this, you know, I don't even know how many hundreds of thousands of dollars that it could potentially save a person in the position that we're in Okay, of outside you a complete dedicated team to editing and and videotaping and audio correction and and like all of these things, cause I I'm I'm guilty of saying and, um, you know cause sometimes I'll say, I'll say something to Vic hey man, can you take that weird whatever slur or whatever out of it? And of course, we get live all the time. But on the backend he repurposes this and and creates all different forms of content with it, whether it's advertising, tc backer from this podcast in in terms of repurposing it, or the food drive stuff or or whatever. Many, many, many, many, many, many ways that you know a lot of different companies could, could use AI. You know, cause that's that's the thing it's like.

Ty Cobb Backer: 29:19

I feel like, you know, when we're just recording stuff, you know cause we do this live. I grew up basically doing live video content like this. So I think, cause, when we were, when we were recording things yesterday, vic was like man, you're pretty good at this and it's and it's kind of like, of course, he's probably just blowing smoke up my ass. But when doing it live and then knowing that we can do as many takes as we want, recording it, and then he's going to run it through his machine, bust out however many reels or shorts or you know, and then be able to clean it up, it's like I have complete faith, like man, this shit's going to look good, it's going to turn out amazing, you know, and if and shit's going to look good, it's going to turn out amazing, you know, and if and that's what I mean, cause it still takes work, it still takes time to carve out that hour to create a commercial and literally he's trying to perfect his these videos to be studio quality, commercial grade TV, you know, type of videos that that he's utilizing AI to perfect the sound, the lighting, how I'm speaking, how I look, you know what I mean and I just I find it so fascinating and I'm actually kind of grateful because I know, five years ago, dude, when we were doing those shows, when we were traveling not even five years ago, but two, three years ago when we were fully inundated with it. I'm thinking we need two or three other people so Vic can chase me around with a camera all day, all right, but then we need two people back in their room like chopping up the content and creating you know, little shorts, real short, short form content and stuff so we can promote you know, not just where we're at, but like advertisements for hook agency, right, so we could provide an offer, you know different marketing for our sponsorships and things like that.

Ty Cobb Backer: 31:29

Well, long story short, that shit never happened. Like it never happened. One, because I don't think for a fact we weren't utilizing AI back then. Two, I don't think AI just that 36 months ago. I don't think AI had necessarily the capabilities that it does today. Obviously it does today, obviously it doesn't. But there are many different facets or purposes that I really feel as much and as painful and as scary. I guess that's what it comes down to fear of, like oh my God, artificial intelligence is here. Right, it's here, and either we ride the wave or we don't ride the wave.

Ty Cobb Backer: 32:09

And, john, you and I had this conversation the other day. I I got the the privilege to to listen to david carroll um about ai and the sophistication of it and, like you should hire, we should like, seek a 30, young, late, 20, early, 30 person that does nothing but ai, because, not that I'm trying to take anything away from you, but just somebody of that generation of, because that's, that's where you know where, where we're going, especially when it comes to buyer's behavior. You know, uh, creating an omnipresence, cutting the editing time in a fraction of the time with your content, because content is king. Let's, let's, let's, bring that back around Like cause. I haven't heard that for a minute. You know what I mean.

Ty Cobb Backer: 33:17

And and Joseph Hughes is he coined the phrase become five mile famous, right, and there's old tactics of guerrilla marketing that he's talking about, but he's also talking about social presence, social commerce, right, because this is our TV today, this is our computer today, this is our search engine today, this is, this is our, our GPS and our AI, yeah, and our AI, and where we can gamble, where we check our email. Well, I mean, just, it's everything okay. So if we're not creating content to fit on this device that we cannot live without today. And it's again. It's like here we are, again.

Ty Cobb Backer: 34:06

Like when the flip phone or the the bag phones came out, people were like, oh my God, now we can, you know, make a call from our Ferrari Miami device style, you know, back back. Well, now we have think about it. We I don't know if we were scared of it back then. I'm sure people were talking shit, but we didn't have social media right where we can actually hear people talk shit or afraid of ai. It is what it is. I'm sure you might be in a trade, you might be in a, in a space or a season of your life where, like, ai may not pertain to it, but like, if I don't know, like it, it just I'm leaning more and more towards it, you know, or accepting it, I guess?

John Stauffer: 34:51

Yeah, there's a lot of high level stuff that we got to bang our heads together to. You know, swot analysis, what are your strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats? Yeah, and it'll evaluate. It'll evaluate you can encourage to especially use it to challenge your own biases. Like, ask AI, you know, here's something I want to know about or learn about or get some advice about, and then typically, by the way you're asking for it, it'll feed you what you want and then you have to go back again and say, yeah, but am I favoring one side or the other because of my own biases?

John Stauffer: 35:31

Is that coming through here? Can you describe any other oversights I might be missing? Or you know something that's hidden that I'm not thinking of? And just to keep challenging it, to come up with the stuff that you know you may be prone to with your own biases. So you know, banging heads together on big company strategic thinking is a benefit that you know I personally haven't really tapped into yet. Just reading about it, learning about it, asking a little bit about it, just reading about it learning about it, asking a little bit about it, but you know it's have an AI party sometime soon.

John Stauffer: 36:12

And what else can we make this? You know, have this thing do for us.

Ty Cobb Backer: 36:16

Yeah, as rapidly as it's changing, where would you say would be the best resource for someone to get educated on AI? I know you mentioned a book that you read, but I would imagine it's not saying that that book's obsolete. It could be by now yeah, you know what I'm saying. But like where, where can you get real-time advice or or tutorials or learning with ai, with AI today? Yeah.

John Stauffer: 36:46

Well, pretty high level. The book and website that goes with it. Ai Leader is a pretty good resource. Okay, describes everything to ask, gives you prompts that you can use to get started in a more high-level kind of way. You can join their community for $25,000 a year to be part of the top C-level discussion group on how they're using AI to conquer challenges, etc. I'm not ready for that quite yet. I mean $25,000 a year when that's luxury money and a cheap change. I'll do it.

John Stauffer: 37:35

Yeah, I would recommend keep an eye on my son, young Ty of Flash Avenue. He's putting together a free webinar for folks that spawned by the conversations at ERN with some of the folks there to say, well, I don't even know where to start, I don't use it. I did, I use a CRM and I like zoom in dot info that gives me information about who's who in a company. But Ty's putting together a perhaps frequent or a regular free, hour-long webinar that he's going to host and show cool tools, how to get started, provide some prompts that you can use to say, well, hey, chat, gpt, I want you to act as an interviewer and ask me questions about this or any situation. Interview me until you have enough information that you can determine what challenge I'm facing and how you might make suggestions on how to resolve it. Wow, that's great.

John Stauffer: 38:50

If you're just getting started and have never even touched it, I would just go log on to chat GPT and start asking it questions. Just say what do most people use this for? Where do I start? Yeah, It'll it'll answer your stuff and get you moving.

Ty Cobb Backer: 39:11

That's great. That's good. That's good. I like the idea of the SWOT analysis. I wrote one and I'm curious what would happen if I ran it through Chad GBT. I might have to do that this afternoon.

John Stauffer: 39:24

I would just copy and paste that thing in there and say shred this.

Ty Cobb Backer: 39:28

Right, yeah, or what am I missing? I like the thought when you said that like what corner am I not seeing around? Yeah, you know what I mean. No, that's great, that's great, it's excellent at coming up with. Yeah, okay.

John Stauffer: 39:41

Based on all the other business in the world. They look at these things too this in the world.

Ty Cobb Backer: 39:47

They look at these things too. Yeah, you'll get that. Yeah, no, that's great. Like no, I know it's writing code now and I think in that, in that sass space right now, I think there's a concern of, like code writers maybe come up sleep. I mean, I don't think that's ever going to happen, because, even though there's more coders than there probably ever has been, especially stateside, um, and who knows, they probably have already have been using ai to to produce a lot of these codes. And well, they should be.

John Stauffer: 40:13

Yeah, they should be yeah, but the coders, they know more of what to ask for and what to look for and want to make sure it's working and have it be the way they want it. Right, then you know me. I'm not a deep dive coder, so I rely on other folks for that and perhaps ai for that right, what's david burr I mean?

Ty Cobb Backer: 40:35

he said when am I able to coach ty and john for for coffee? Or marco's hot honey pepperoni pizza slice? Oh, catch, okay, say catch Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it. What's that Dripzilla?

John Stauffer: 40:56

Dripzilla. Yeah, messing around with the seven components of our narrative for TC Becker to remove all the noise from our messages to our potential customers, hone it down and refine it. I know we're both working at it at the same time and marrying them together. And you know one of the concepts in the story brand concept of the narrative. Make a story for your marketing that has a character who is the hero of the story, which is your potential customer. They have a problem. Identify the problem and make it about them and their problem. Then they meet a guide who is TC backer. We're going to help you solve your problem. We're going to give you a plan get an inspection book, book your appointment to get your inspection. Sign up for a roof yeah, we're going to help you avoid failure. You know ruined furniture because the roof are leaked all the way through your house. And we're going to help you garner success. Foundation is strong in your home, secure. And the other component is you could consider having a villain in the story who the character has to overcome and battle.

John Stauffer: 42:20

And for the roofing concept, I start playing with the idea of you know, is there a villain-style concept? Whether? Idea of you know is there a villain style concept, whether it be, you know, just a leaky roof conceptually, or does it actually have some kind of a caricature identity that could be developed. So then I came up with taking credit for AI's work, you know. I said, can you recommend a few? And it gave me a list and I thought, hey, dripzilla, that's pretty cool. I said, can you make a caricature for that? And boom, came up with again Dripzilla, that's awesome. So love it. You know, the next step I'll be chopping that up, getting it to vic if it makes sense, you know, if we agree that, hey, we're. We use dribzilla as a villain for our marketing. You can chop that thing up and make videos of dribzilla attacking the house. Yeah, no, I like that.

Ty Cobb Backer: 43:21

I, I'd like I like, then we destroy them. Of course, course, yeah, of course.

John Stauffer: 43:30

Let the homeowner be, you know, the hero more the guide. Well, and it goes against traditional marketing, like we learned back in Sandler training. Yeah, that most folks, most businesses, talk about why they're sliced bread, why they think they're the greatest. And's all about us and we provide the greatest service and the greatest stuff and we're the greatest because we say we're the greatest. Probably not so counterintuitive today because of all the marketing and learning we've done over the last two decades, but prior it might have seemed counterintuitive to make your whole story, your whole marketing message, about your customer and their problems instead of about how awesome you think you are. Yeah, so it lines up with that really beautifully.

Ty Cobb Backer: 44:16

So yeah, no, well, it positions yourself as the trusted local expert. Yeah, you know, and that's that's uh, and how, how you're here to serve them, you know, and that's really, that's really what it comes down to. Yeah, um, you know, when you know, like you said with the sandler thing, and I think it just kind of gets you know and that's that's like 24 seven, you know, sales machine at all times, and and, uh, and not very confusing, and I think, at least from from our experiences like we, we have the opportunity to experiment with with certain things, and I think we've we've gone through a lot of like, uh, experimental phase.

Ty Cobb Backer: 45:07

Yeah, and I've gone astray on several cases yeah, over the years, which is fine, you know, and and you kind of get caught up in this pattern interrupt, you know, but I don't suggest that for somebody getting started out. I think I think what needs to happen is is is keeping it. You know, we've been talking a lot about you know, keeping it simple, talking about what it is that you do, how you can help, and basically jumping right to the point how can we get ahold of you? You know what I mean. At the end of the day, that that's really that's, that's really what it comes down to. You know, having that, you know that one liner that is really easy to remember for them, really easy for your team, that your team can remember. You know the, the sentence that describes what, what you do, in a way that's easy and repeatable.

Ty Cobb Backer: 46:11

You know, and for me I was guilty of, like man, you just want everybody to know. You know how involved we are with the community and you know, which is great for a company that's been established, for, you know, 15 plus years, right, but for a company that's trying to make their mark, you know, in a new location or whatever the case might be, or you decided to branch out and do your own thing. I think the easiest thing that you can possibly potentially do is is get with, obviously, a marketing company that is up to date on on everything, right, ai, you know the, the story, brand theory being the guide, what, what you do, how, the framework, the framework of of your website, right, and and know how people's eyes work and I don't know if a lot of people don't know this, but you know a person's eyes, like when they scan a page or something. It goes in a Z shape or F, but I think, in like, the most important part you know real estate on on a page is the upper right hand or left hand. I think it's the left-hand corner, like that's like the most valuable you know piece of real estate on on anybody's website.

Ty Cobb Backer: 47:31

So, like, make sure that there isn't something stupid that pertains to nothing relevant of what it is that you do or how you can help. You know, like drip Zilla, you know what I mean. The color is easy on your eyes, right, it makes complete sense. The visual aid of like, yeah, man, like we're getting drips and I feel like we're being attacked by drip Zilla, right, that that's plain, simple, to the point, and not that you don't want people to know what you do within the community, but it shouldn't be the main focus of your website. I mean, I think we kind of ran into that a little bit because we're very excited about things that we've done, things that we've accomplished and all that stuff. But basically, you know, like you know, clear header, right Value, props, guide, plan, call to action, you know all those, all those things, and outside of that it's just noise. Yeah, you know what I mean.

John Stauffer: 48:41

I still got a lot of noise going. Yeah, cleaned out.

Ty Cobb Backer: 48:45

I'm really surprised you haven't had AI. Create a new website. Oh, it's coming. Yeah, no, that's good. That's good. I think this is a good topic. I guess there's a small group of people talking about AI, ai, uh, I think this is probably one of the first. You know real deep, deeper conversations on ai and many different ways and forms in which it can be used professionally, uh, personally, all that stuff, um, no, I like it, I like it a lot. I'm uh, I'm a believer.

Ty Cobb Backer: 49:24

Unfortunately, I think my biggest fear was I don't want to rely on it solely where it's like I can't think for myself. Because then I go back to the days of Garmin, when Garmin came out and GPS. I remember using a map going to Rutters, wawa, whatever over there I don't even know if they still sell them or not, but there was a York County book, right. Find an address, figure out my route for the day. You know, I got a service here, service there and plot it out. And that's what I did, and I'd get lost and I'd have to stop and I'd have to pull over and I'd have to ask for directions and things like that. And it's like now I can't even get across town. I swear to you, it's difficult for me to get across town without asking hey, siri, dang it. I did it again. It didn't work.

John Stauffer: 50:24

Give me.

Ty Cobb Backer: 50:25

Give me the address to blah, blah, right, yeah, um, you know. So my biggest fear and still is but I'm I'm aware of it because I have experienced some form of. I don't know if gps garmin is a form of artificial intelligence or not, maybe, probably, um, but it ruined me. I mean, it's shit. I spell check has ruined me, you know, on my phone, just that it busting things out. I got spell check turned on. It's like, you know, I, I I've turned it off because, like it's making me less intelligent, less book smart, less, you know, um, uh, not emotional intelligence, but uh shit.

John Stauffer: 51:12

Oh man, Um just regular old plain intelligence, logical shit yeah.

Ty Cobb Backer: 51:20

A lot of kids suffer from it. Um, nowadays, is the uh being able to overcome uh, uh, uh objections? What's, what's, what's, what? Am I uh critical thinking? You know that part's gone. Yeah, like right, and I see that in myself where it's like I'll just search and grow 'll ask what's her nuts on my phone real quick to you know, yeah, I try to be cognizant of that.

John Stauffer: 51:51

Using the ai, I'm, yeah, making reports having it. Make reports having it.

Ty Cobb Backer: 51:55

Yeah, think right yeah, all right, you know so that that I'm still a little leery on that, you know, because I, I like to, I like to write, I really like when I can. I found myself in a good space this morning, um, and I I wish I would give myself more time to to do that, but I had said earlier to you that I came up with an SOP and, based upon some of the topics that we've been talking about and framework and things like that, and I was really just it felt good to, and, of course, with with the assistance of spell check and a couple other things, which is actually made me a better writer and and faster, not get stuck pull out the Webster finger through a book, you know, to figure out. Is this the word that I want to use? Is this? Do you know what I mean? I've, I've. I picked the phone up. I ask it hey, give me, give me, give me another word outside of blah, blah, blah. You know to to use it. It is, it is, it is definitely um. Expound my, my vocabulary a little bit, you know, and without that I mean, I just I don't know if I would be where I'm at if it wasn't from the assistance of certain forms of AI, not necessarily the chat GBT, but I'm I'm going to throw. I don't want to say her name, I'm going to throw her in the mix of cause. I don't want to say her name, I'm going to throw her in the mix of because I don't want it to speak to me. All three things light up when I say the S word, but it is.

Ty Cobb Backer: 53:36

I mean, it has really helped me. You saw, I helped a couple of people co-authored in a couple books and I used it to help me. You know whether it was with spelling, whether it was what word should I use in place of? You know what I mean? Certain things, um, and it went a lot quicker, you know. So I can keep that flow state going. I guess that's where I was trying to. I was, that was my point, was. You know, it's helped with my flow state to keep moving forward instead of getting hemmed up and then experiencing writer's block because I suffer from short attention span, like if I yeah, if I get hemmed up on something and I get a text message game over, you know what I mean or a phone call comes, comes in, it's really hard for me. So it's helped me really. You know some of these tools and and and things you know, so I I'm guilty of of not, you know, using it, which I should probably definitely use more often.

John Stauffer: 54:37

Ai, that is yeah, yeah, my concern is the closer it gets, the closer it gets gets. Everybody else is starting to use it and I talked to dave this morning, shared my concern that, holy crap, if they connect our brains with neural link to the shit, which priority is happening? I'm going to be talking to somebody else who's connected to ai and I'm going to ask him how are you feeling today? Right, and uh, do I get an answer from him? Or do I get ai's answer that he referred to? And you know, by the nature of that, I think we're all gonna lose our own identity over time yeah, no, I can.

Ty Cobb Backer: 55:17

I can definitely see that happening, especially if they do this that scary elon musk neural link stuff.

John Stauffer: 55:23

yeah, connect your brain to the commune of all other minds, together with AI. I even asked AI to research the concept of it, where I read something a couple of years back about how it was conjectured that much like amoebas, these single cell organisms, it was conjectured that much like amoebas, these single cell organisms, they biologically connected with each other to make one giant organism. Well, that could. Then you know, the reason was for survival and reproduction, et cetera. I said, and that compared to. I asked AI to recap it for me that how that compares with humans neural linking together and we have a hypothetical future of using brain computer interfaces like neural link, individual human brains could be directly connected.

John Stauffer: 56:21

Potential outcome a metamind or collective intelligence sharing thoughts, memories and decisions. The purpose super intelligence beyond any individual human's capability instant communication, problem solving and innovation. That sounds great. Then I asked again I said well, what about if we include AI in that connection? Include AI in that connection and the wrap up is is kind of a the risks loss of privacy, your thoughts could be exposed or stolen.

John Stauffer: 56:55

Ai dominance AI could subtly guide human thought or override it. Mental dependency, relying too much on the digital support and identity blur. Where does you stop and we begin? So I just would imagine if we all somehow become connected and have this grand exposure of every thought I've ever had in my life is now available to everyone else in the world, to me that parallels the judgment day that, in biblical sense, like you are going to be, you know, there there could be this amazing transformation period as we all join together, mindfully that, wow, there's going to be a whole lot of freaking. Oh you like not just a 12-step experience of anger, frustration and hatred and disgust and forgiveness and all the rest that goes with whatever, well, whatever it takes to go through stuff yeah you know, just to learn everything about anybody and everybody.

John Stauffer: 58:06

And they'd learn everything about me and everything I ever thought or did. That wasn't very nice. Wow, you get locked on. Wow, yeah, no, I think there'd be a frenzy, for until maybe the dust settles and there is one giant collective mind for the good of all. No, no, we won't do that. You know, I'm going to keep using it on my laptop for now.

Ty Cobb Backer: 58:32

Yeah, you do that anyhow. Yeah, vick mentioned in here earlier that he created a video of our food drive this morning. Didn't excellent, didn't use ai. He did not use ai. So, vick, why don't you run that? Took him three hours, well, it's too fucking long. So why don't you run that? And then, uh, we'll get wrapping this thing up. But but before you do that, let's talk about yesterday, real quick, okay.

Ty Cobb Backer: 59:01

So yesterday morning we did our what annual is it like fifth, fifth, fifth, fifth, fifth annual, fifth annual food drive yesterday, which I think I think we I think we outdid ourselves, I think we outdid last year.

Ty Cobb Backer: 59:19

I haven't seen any final tallies, but I know from the amount of community support, local businesses big shout out to DreamWorks and a few other, valley Tavern and our team, our team, just the outreach that it worked. It worked to try to get our team involved and kind of create like a little mini competition and and those that weren't necessarily participating in it jumped in and and big shout out to Amanda. I mean she, I think we had over a thousand pounds of food in our, in our lobby, out out front here and outside of that, and the amount of cash that came in that we actually donated um like a thousand dollars or a thousand dollars in cash left over. Um 250 of that was was from dreamworks, and so that was an amazing day yesterday all together, collectively was give it up for jeremy and zach and bobby down in south carolina putting hers together putting hers together and uh you know driving everything.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:00:31

Yeah, to yesterday yeah, yeah, it was good, it was great. It was great. Um, three months worth of food is is what they were. Were speculating um that, and three months is a long time, considering the fact that the amount of people that come in there on a weekly, monthly basis and just so everybody knows, this time of year is when most food banks run dry. Everybody likes to donate things over the holidays Not that they don't need support and help local food banks, but kids are out of school. They're not getting at least that one meal, sometimes two meals at school, you know. So food banks are really churning and burning through the donations this time of year. So keep that in mind. There's a lot of kids out there that are suffering from food insecurity. I don't remember the stats. We had the stats last year, but it was a lot. It's amazing here in the United States the amount of kids that will go to bed tonight not knowing where their next meal is coming from, and that's pretty scary and it sucks to even think about it. I, I, hopefully, hopefully we can can encourage other people to want to get involved.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:01:47

We, we dedicated ourselves to one particular food bank. We were many years ago. We, we were kind of spreading ourselves all over the place, which is great. It's fine, but we really felt like we were making. We're making a bigger impact and at least putting a dent in it. But three months worth of food is amazing, so hopefully that'll carry somebody through to at least school starts. We'll do our 21 Turkey Salute. Even though it's a one day event, it might just be the meal somebody needs to gain the courage and the confidence and strength, most importantly, the strength, to go fill out that job application or whatever the case might be Right For that one day. Hope. Give somebody hope right that there is, you know, humanity in this world, that we, this AI driven world that we live in today. It's still got people yeah, we still. There's still still people out there. And then also, we got to experience. Do you want to talk about what we were able to experience last night?

John Stauffer: 1:02:55

Surely it's a supporting effort that helps us be able to keep serving our potential customers with their problems. The awards that we received from the Best of York and Hanover Community Choice Awards kind of goes a long way in helping us promote that we are a valid, solid resource to solve the problems of our customers. And yeah, we got an award for best roofer, best door company and another category we had been into there was the home repair and remodeling. So yeah, runners up for windows.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:03:42

Yeah, runners up for windows. Yeah, we're in top three three.

John Stauffer: 1:03:45

Top three for window companies, right that's why our friends in ern that we, we don't like them anymore. Yeah, garrity glass. They took the windows. Yeah, was it garrity garrity? Okay, yeah, we don't like them. Yeah, we don't like them anymore. No earns done, we'll hang out with them, so you can anyhow.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:04:03

So yesterday was an amazing day. I mean it would all of you know work that we put in to the food drive, I mean just to cap the evening off, the week off, the month off, to sit in that room with. I mean, the competition was stiff this year. I don't care what anybody says, I was, I'll be honest with you, I was a little nervous, and then we were also put in some categories that we've never been in before, in the top three. I won't mention them, um, just I might, just because, um, but what an amazing experience.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:04:39

Yesterday was like to sit in that room with the best of the best, literally the best of the best, in York County, hanover, adams, franklin, all that. I'm assuming it's. Maybe it doesn't cover that far, but maybe it does, but it, it, it was, it just it was like you know, the freaks of everybody's labor. You know what I mean, cause this isn't, this has never been the, the I show, it's the, it's the we show, and and again, that's we need to host our 17th anniversary all encompassed achievements, have a, you know, a slide deck just going of like, follow the accomplishments over the years, you know, and and the appreciation to our, to our team and the hard work and and I know sometimes, especially me I get lost and forget like man.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:05:35

Just this is really hard some days, but to experience what we got to experience yesterday, it brought it all back into, you know, perspective again for me. I mean it really, it really did, you know. And yeah, it's hard for me to want to go up on stage and gather those awards. Right, I was just an idiot barking orders most of the time and half the time probably not even the right orders. So anyhow, what? What a great Vic, run that.

Speaker 2: 1:06:05

Run the video that you made every year, tc backer construction teams up with dotty's family food market to support the well food pantry and this year, for our fifth annual food drive, our community showed up strong, from the businesses who welcome donation bins into their space to those who gave generously, whether with food or funds. Thank you. Your support helped us fill carts and stock the shelves for local families in need. At TC Backer, we believe giving back is part of building something bigger and this food drive it was a team effort. Thank you for standing with us and for showing what community really means.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:06:51

Great job everybody.

John Stauffer: 1:06:52

Yeah, start warning.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:06:53

That was involved local companies, our team. Like I just can't. I can't put it into words, I don't have the words to express my gratitude for everybody. I really don't. Jen and I were. We're kind of uh beside ourselves when we got home and we slumber we have a slumber party every night and uh, during our slumber um, wow, you know. Wow, you know just come up with an idea and a thought and to watch things unfold and come to fruition, you know it's amazing. So that's it.

Speaker 2: 1:07:33

I'm going to end it there.

Ty Cobb Backer: 1:07:34

I'm going to end it there. So if you're a contractor and you want to learn more, follow us on YouTube or Facebook. We're here every week Vic's busting out the content. Anyhow, if you're a homeowner and your roof is old, leaking or damaged, don't wait for things to get worse. At TC Backer, we've helped thousands of homeowners protect their homes with quality roofing, financing options and a team they can trust. Want to take it to the next step? Visit our website or give us a call for a free inspection. No pressure, just answers. And remember a solid roof isn't just about shingles, it is about peace of mind Till next week. Hasta luego, my friends. Thank you.