Ty Backer: 0:00

spinning and we are live once again for episode 197 of Behind the Tool Belt. I'm Ty, your host, and I am currently in Ocean City, Maryland, and we will be back after these brief.

Scott Lenox: 1:26

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Scott Lenox: 2:36

Brother, I'm doing good. Look what I did. I found something perfect for what we're about to talk about this weekend.

Ty Backer: 2:41

Yes, that is perfect, and it's actually right behind me. If anyone can see that beautiful sunset, there you go. You're right here with me, about 280 miles from me right now.

Scott Lenox: 2:56

I'm not sure how far New York City is from Ocean City, but it's funny that you're in Ocean City and I'm not.

Ty Backer: 3:02

I'm up here in.

Scott Lenox: 3:02

New York for a couple of. I've got a fisheries meeting this week. I'm actually coming home tomorrow night. Even while I'm up here, text messages, emails, that kind of stuff. So we're looking forward to it, man.

Ty Backer: 3:16

Yeah, no doubt. So we actually got the boat into water today. I'm super excited. Obviously it's only Wednesday and the fishing tournament doesn't start until Saturday at 7 am. Lines in, and I know we're stoked. We got a couple guys from our group. I believe Glenn might be coming down, I know Jim's coming and Denny's coming down, and actually Jana and Vick are with me today. They were my co-captains, or my number one and number two mate, to launch the boat this afternoon in the what would you call that? Is that the harbor over there?

Scott Lenox: 3:51

Yeah, it's called Commercial Harbor.

Ty Backer: 3:53

Okay, yeah, that's where we were, you were at the public grant.

Scott Lenox: 3:58

Yeah, that's the West OC Commercial Harbor Public Grant.

Ty Backer: 4:03

Love it. I love this. I love the atmosphere down here. Sometimes it gets a little too congested for me. That's why we stay up in Lower Slower Delaware and we come out of the Indian River most of the time Guinea Creek rather and then we come into the Rojobos Bay, into the Indian River and then out into the Atlantic from there.

Scott Lenox: 4:24

Very cool. Yeah, I've been out of there a couple of times out of Indian River Marina we fished for. Even this year we went and did an episode of a TV show up there left out of Indian River on opening day of Sea Bass. That was cool.

Ty Backer: 4:35

That's gorgeous up there, man.

Scott Lenox: 4:36

Really good flounder fish in the island.

Ty Backer: 4:40

Yes, that's where I'll be honest with you. I obviously have fished out in the ocean a lot, but I believe the two largest flounders I've ever caught was right there at the inlet, believe it or not, and I've been out to, you know, saitan 11, jersey, jersey, dell, old Grounds, all of that and it appears that I've caught my largest flounder in the bay, believe it or not, yes, it's the same for me, man.

Scott Lenox: 5:07

I've been to Nantucket Shoals twice now. I still haven't cracked my biggest flounder. I think I'm going to up there over the next couple of years. But my biggest flounder was from Ocean Cities, Back Bay, right near the Route 50 Bridge.

Ty Backer: 5:20

Nice, that's awesome. So, scott, before we get into, like you know, this weekend and the TV show that you have, which is very impressive, and I think that's how we got connected because I followed you on social media and stuff like that, but I guess and I don't know if you've ever been asked these questions but what attracted you? I'm assuming you know, or I don't want to assume, but I assume that you grew up around the docks or at some point in time have been here for a long time. So kind of give us a background on how you got the addiction of fishing.

Scott Lenox: 5:59

Yeah, so when I was a kid my dad used to just take me kind of like river fishing and pond fishing and stuff. You know there were five of us so he would just kind of pack salt in the Grand Torino Station wagon and we'd go to places like Allen's Pond that was close to our house in Bowie, or we'd go to the Patuxent River. Some really cool adventures doing that. And I just when I first started doing that I was like man, I really that's really cool fighting something on the other end of the line and then you can get it in and either let it go or you can take it home and eat it on certain circumstances. And I liked fish, filet of fish, sandwiches still my favorite. But then that turned into me going fishing with my really good friend, luke Bloom, who also lives in Ocean City and he runs a charter boat in Ocean City now. So he and I would get. We got in high school, we played baseball together, we would do the same stuff, we would go to the local pond or go to the local river or whatever. We just always wanted to be outside fishing. And then he and I moved down to Ocean City after our senior year in high school and we just wanted to find a place to live. You know, do the Ocean City thing, live at the beach where you're on a break from college. And we were going to different restaurants and stuff trying to find a job, just trying to make money and see what we could do because we didn't have any experience in any of those industries in Ocean City.

Scott Lenox: 7:20

And we walked into Bihia Marina. I'll never forget it. We walked into Bihia Marina and my other best friend, jimmy Crawl, was behind the counter and he asked us about fishing and what our interests were and if we had ever run boats and that sort of thing. And I lied a little bit and told him that I was proficient in running outboard motors and that sort of thing. But I think what he saw was he saw that there was these two guys fresh out of high school that loved fishing and he hired us on the spot. He hired us both on the spot, gave us time to come back a couple months after that start, after we got out of school.

Scott Lenox: 7:52

So my Ocean City fishing career started back then, 1991, at Bihia Marina. And then here we are, 30, whatever years later, and I do a TV show and my business is a magazine and website, all of it based on fishing. So I'll tackle, I'll have a tournament and people are like, damn man, you do a lot of different stuff and it's all related to fishing. So I love it, man, I love it.

Ty Backer: 8:17

Yeah, you'll never work a day in your life, man, as long as you love what you do, and it sounds like that's what you're doing.

Scott Lenox: 8:23

Bingo brother, yep bingo, and I had worked in the fishing industry along. You know I worked in the fishing industry ever from Bihia. I worked at Bihia for 10 years and I moved over to Sunset Marina and opened up Sunset Provisions for another 10 years and then I left and went into the golf business for a little bit, but I was always involved with it a little bit, but I couldn't, it wasn't my job. You know, fishing wasn't my job. Now it is, and now I just I go fishing and I talk about it and I recommend what people should use to catch fish and I tell people where they can catch fish and who they can go fishing with. And it's just, you're right, I don't work at all.

Ty Backer: 9:02

Yeah, that's awesome. At some point in time, man, I'll have to pick your brain on where to go down here, offshore and in the inlet here. That way, maybe we can get a few tips for the tournament here. But how did you get in? Okay, so let's start here. I guess what came first? The tackle, the website, the magazine or the TV show? What came first?

Scott Lenox: 9:26

Yeah, that's it. So actually, what came first was a radio fishing report. I was working at Sunset Provisions and my friend Paul O McKenzie, who now lives in Florida, came around and was like man, you need to do this fishing report for us on the radio station. You'd be perfect for it. All you got to do is call in. It was back when you were still using the phone where you had to push the dial tone to get, like you do your messages on the old answer machines and stuff. So I would call in, I would do this minute long fishing report. And you got to be where people were saying hey man.

Scott Lenox: 9:58

I heard you on the radio. I heard you on the radio, which was cool. And then a couple of years later Dave Messick rolled in. He was a customer of ours at Sunset Provisions when they were making TV show called Hardcore Offshore. My buddy, Tommy Hall, they started that kind of business and I was just sitting with the first TV show and Sunset Marina was a sponsor and that sort of thing and it was going away. But Dave being the person to do some of the filming, it was really good at the filming and editing and stuff. He was kind of getting his chops in the fishing industry. He's always filmed surfing and skating and things like that. So he wanted to continue some sort of fishing TV show. And because he had heard me on the radio, he said hey, man, we're looking for a host of this show. We're going to do, we're going to call it Hooked on OC Richard Ben and his company, Tormy yacht sales, are going to sponsor it. We don't have to worry about any other sales of advertising or anything. Man, the airspace has already booked. He's like I can't pay you nothing, dude, but you can promote the store and that sort of thing. And that was 18 years ago, man, 18 years ago.

Scott Lenox: 11:08

So fast forward a little bit and I left Sunset Marina to go into the golf biz and the golf biz is like I don't know if this is what I feel like doing. So I came home one afternoon talking to Kristen. Actually, something kind of volatile was going on at the golf course at the time. We had a management company that was coming in and I didn't know I was going to have a job. To be honest with you, you know, management companies change hands and they basically bring in their team a lot of times and assistant pros, which I was. I was lucky enough to be able to stay, but they fired the head pro. So the writing was on the wall like how long am I going to be here? So I came home one evening was talking to Kristen about man golf course is going to do it and I got to kind of come up with a backup plan.

Scott Lenox: 11:52

What do you think about doing a magazine kind of on the format of OC golf getaway? Oc golf getaway just prints their prints, their publication once a year. It's got a bunch of, you know, golf related stuff in it golf courses and support industry places like restaurants and hotels, Things they do all and had a website to support it. So I said why don't we do this in the fishing world? You know nobody's doing this in the fishing industry. Coastal fishermen was a thing, but they were more localized in the season and they only printed the coastal fishermen in the winter. So I was more thinking of something that was just a one time print that people could put on their coffee table or whatever, and then have this website where we could do a fishing report and people could go on there and look and see what the places to go are and what charter boats to go on and that sort of thing. And that was 10 years ago. Now it's our 10th anniversary this year. So it's pretty cool, man.

Scott Lenox: 12:52

We went from our first year. We had how many pages do we have? I think we had 40 pages in our first magazine and last year we had 132. First year I don't even think we had the website. The first year, D3, John Gary from D3 saw me in a meeting when I was pitching the idea to the town of Ocean City and some of our advertisers and he said hey, man, I think we can help each other out. I think this is going to be a really good thing. And, if you're interested, why don't we partner up with the website and we'll do some promotion and things like that? And they had the idea for the daily angle. So a year or so later we had the website done and then now we get over a million visits a year to the website. So it's pretty crazy, man, I'm a lucky guy.

Ty Backer: 13:37

Yeah, that's interesting. You mentioned a couple of things. You saw the writing on the wall at the golf thing and that was your intuition to kind of move on. And it sounds like we talk about this on this podcast and those of you that are watching this that are in the roofing industry just to kind of fast forward here a little bit. The reason why this is so special and why Scott's on here, one first and foremost, I love fishing and anybody that knows me knows that I love fishing.

Ty Backer: 14:07

I love teaching people how to fish, I love taking people fishing and one of my famous lines is that you can, you can teach a, you can give a man a fish and he would eat for a day, but if you teach a man how to fish, he'd eat for a lifetime.

Ty Backer: 14:21

And I mean that as a metaphor as, yes, fishing, definitely love to do that, love to teach people how to do that. But I also love to teach and coach and mentor people personally and professionally with whatever profession that they're in, mostly motivational stuff. I can get people pretty fired up, but Scott and I were talking the other day to try to figure out how many years we've sponsored this thing and I went back through my old t-shirts and the latest one I could find was 2018, and it's funny because I went through that. We went through three branding stages in the past five years. I was trying to figure out until we came up with this logo. But we had the very first t-shirt, had our round logo on it that just said TCB on it, kind of like Outer Bank, yeah, yeah.

Ty Backer: 15:12

And then I think Scott, yeah, go ahead.

Scott Lenox: 15:14

You had that square logo. It was just a rectangle and it said gutter done down at the bottom. And then the funny thing was the folks at the t-shirt company were like you really want to use this logo on a t-shirt and I was like it's the only one he's got. And then you can't. I really love your logo now. That's a great logo.

Ty Backer: 15:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we finally settled into one.

Ty Backer: 15:38

It took a while, you know, because we had one it was just basically our name years ago, and then, about four years ago, I started to just really dive in and I felt like I needed something modern and fortunately, we didn't go all in on anything until we got this.

Ty Backer: 15:54

And big shout out to John Stalford, who was our website design guy at that time, who has currently came a couple several years ago, actually came to work for us full-time, and John has always complimented me well in terms of being very patient with me and able to read me and articulate things better for me, like articulate things for me, and has always done a great job at that. And this is John's work here. Man, I was like I want this, I want that, and it's like do you understand, because I've dealt with, you know, other graphic design artists whether it was, you know, trying to wrap our trucks, or website design people and they just couldn't get what I was, you know, they just couldn't pick up what I was putting down. And John, when I met John, john seemed to really pick up what I was putting down, or he's just lucky as shit, which it might be a little bit.

Scott Lenox: 16:46

Whichever one, it works.

Ty Backer: 16:49

Yes, it did, it didn't matter.

Ty Backer: 16:50

But you were also talking about meeting people and the importance of like your network as your net worth right, like you had your buddy. You know, when you guys went to OC and you got jobs and stuff and then you were able to pick up or a couple other people left off at a couple other things and then today I mean I know for me I look back over the course of my 15-20 year career and roofing I still do work for a lot of those same people and then because of their network we've gotten referrals from them and it just kind of it trickled down. That ripple effect has grown us into who we are today. And by me meeting you, we advertise and sponsor this fishing tournament and then you run an ad force in your magazine that's in there all year long on shelves and stuff like that and it's pretty cool. And I vaguely remember I think it was five or six years ago when it was the first time I think it was you actually threw something out on social media that you were looking for sponsors.

Scott Lenox: 17:55

That's what it was, man. Yeah, I remember it.

Ty Backer: 17:59

Yeah, I, just I yeah, that was one of the.

Scott Lenox: 18:03

We had a couple sponsors and, long story short, how this tournament came together even in the first place was there was a tournament around the same time of year called the Rocktoberfest at the Hia Marina, and those guys are my friends, you know, sean Harmon and Eric Winsher. They put that tournament together back in the day. I used to fish it and that sort of thing, but for whatever reason I think it was 2017 they stopped doing it and nobody knew until about maybe three weeks out from the event, three or four weeks out from the event, they made this announcement we're not doing Rocktoberfest. And a bunch of people were like, damn, and I was thinking about fishing it. So I called both of them and was like, say, man, here, you guys aren't doing Rocktoberfest. Like, yeah, we're, just we think it's run its course.

Scott Lenox: 18:43

I was like, well, listen, man, if I decided to do something, would it be okay? You know, I just want to kind of use the format you do, it's not, it's not too broken, I'll just make a couple of tweaks and do it our way and you cool with that. And they both said, man, go for it. So that was when we started doing it, and that year I don't even think we had any sponsorships. We had 16 boats. We did what we could. We were like, hey, man, let's, let's see, we just get this thing off the ground. And then I think the following year was like hey we're looking for sponsors for the inshore classic.

Scott Lenox: 19:12

It's the second year, it's the thing we're doing, and you correct me if I'm wrong, I think this is right and then you contacted me with like a Facebook message and said hey, we'd like to sponsor your tournament. I'm like, yeah, hell's, this grouper from Pennsylvania want to. But you did, man. And not only did you do that I don't know if you did the magazine the first year, but you did the fishing tournament. I think you might have done the magazine. And then the following year, we had so many people saying, hey, we'd like to give you, like you should do, like a presenting sponsorship. So I think I sent you a text message. It was like hey, ty, we got some people asking us about being title sponsor. There's going to be this much money, but it's a huge amount of exposure. And because you're one of our first sponsors, I just wanted to tell you about it. You're like I'm in, I'll take it, and you've done that ever since. Man, you've done that ever since. I think that was four or five years ago now.

Ty Backer: 20:08

Yeah, yeah, four or five years ago now.

Scott Lenox: 20:11

Yeah.

Scott Lenox: 20:13

We couldn't do it without you, man. You present the tournament for us. It's awesome. We love the support we get from the entire community. I guess I think my passion and our passion through the team shows that we love doing the tournament. People will say it's one of their favorite fall events, it's their favorite inshore tournament of the year and we just try and make it so like we would want to enjoy a tournament. Like I say, Rocktoberfest was in a really good place.

Scott Lenox: 20:40

They had a really great format with that 32 hour fishing time. People really liked fishing through the evening, having the opportunity to stay out there all night long if they felt like it. The different fish categories where you had different, you know, rockfish, flounder, tog and then this open category where kind of all kinds of other stuff fell into it. And that's one of the things we tweaked was Rocktoberfest. If you caught anything on Hook and Line, you could weigh it for the open category. I was like dude, I'm not weighing stingrays and cow nose rays and stargazers and eels and all that other crap. So we're going to make a list of stuff that's available that is going to be weighed for the open Cowcutters, just like they used to do them. And then we had people say hey, man, we'd like to do a $500 cowcutter. And I was like, whatever, I'll just collect the money. If you guys want to do a $500 cowcutter, we can do that.

Scott Lenox: 21:31

And that was, I think, three years ago and the tournament purse went like almost double and then we went from 16 boats the first year. We've steadily grown every year. Last year we had 54 boats. Man, we wrote checks that were totaled like almost 24,000 bucks. So it's grown a lot. And for a little inshore fishing tournament where people have a good time, we do an awards banquet on Sunday night at the Marlin Club You've been there we have some grub, just kind of shoot the bull and talk about fishing over the weekend and the experiences people had and that kind of stuff it's all about. For us, it's all about the camaraderie. It's cool that people get some trophies and win some money and that kind of thing. But it's all about these relationships, that we see people that never knew each other. They showed up there at the scales for the inshore classic and now they talk to each other all the time when they're out there on the water. That's what's the best thing for us.

Ty Backer: 22:25

Yeah, yeah for sure. I got to meet some great people. I don't get to see them out on the water as much because we fish the Delaware waters, but we have stayed in contact with them through social media and things like that. And I love it because this is kind of like our last big hurrah of the season. We get to bring a couple of team members from TC Backer down and get to get them on the water and they love fishing and it kind of gives us some time ourselves, the fellowship and camaraderie of us, instead of working all the time. It kind of just breaks things up. We go out, we go fishing, we fish all night long and we kill it, we work hard and we play hard kind of thing, and it really shows we haven't won anything yet. Maybe if you would have left it open anything that we've hooked we would have probably bought.

Scott Lenox: 23:18

We'll start the TC Backer horseshoe crab division.

Ty Backer: 23:22

A five-gallon bucket. Yeah, right, but yeah, but we love it. I love what you do, scott, down here. You've had a lot of impact on Ocean City for many, many, many years and that's the consistency and the tenacity that you have and the suit up and show up and be as consistent as you are is a true testament of what kind of person you are. You're not just professionally, but on your personal side too. I see you're always with your wife. She appears to be your best friend and I know that personally because I've seen you guys outside the camera, outside Facebook, and how close-knit family that you have, the three of you, and it's pretty amazing to watch.

Ty Backer: 24:11

I got to watch your what's your son's name, brian, yes, yes. To watch him grow up on social media over the past I know however long I've been following you To watch him grow and his awards and achievements and things that he earns and how proud you guys are of him. And to bring him up. I mean, what a life of a child, because this is something we didn't grow up on the shore but I always wanted to and we just couldn't afford it. We didn't go on vacations and stuff when I was a kid growing up and for you to be in a position today of doing what you love and being successful at it and raising a child up around the ocean and the beach and stuff like that.

Ty Backer: 24:58

It must be an amazing experience and we all have trials, tribulations, everything. Everybody has issues and stuff like that. I'm sure it's not as rosy as we make it appear at times, because we have to show up, show up every day with a smile on our face, because that's what we have to do as business owners and parents. We got to have our stuff together and it was like today, for instance, I didn't think we were going to make it. I thought, for sure we are not going to. We're going to be going live from the dock on my phone and I saw you on the breaks and stuff.

Ty Backer: 25:38

Yes, yeah, and I saw Gianna and Vic looking at me and I even thought to myself it's like I got to be the person right now that's got the answer to this, like I got to have a plan and it was like we're going to make it to the hotel. That's the plan. There's no plan B or C. We are going to pull this off no matter what, because I know they'll have decent Wi-Fi there.

Scott Lenox: 25:56

Yeah, it's got to go off. Yeah, yeah, it's got to go off, yeah.

Ty Backer: 26:01

That's fine. Big shout out to you, though, brother. I mean, you're an amazing guy, and I don't know if I would have what it takes to do everything you do and to be on the camera on a boat fishing and all the cool people that you're interviewing and filming and stuff, but one in particular is Big Bird Cropper. Yeah, let's give him a shout out. Give us a little background on him and how you met him and where you met him at.

Scott Lenox: 26:29

Yeah. So Big Bird Cropper and I kind of just learned who each other were through the fishing community and I was already doing hooked on OC when I met him and we got to the point where we're like I got to go fishing with you sometime. You look like you fish a lot and look like a fun guy. You're obviously good at this, one of the best fishermen in the ocean city as far as back bay stuff goes, maybe the best. We proved that last year by winning the OC. In short, classic. But we got on the boat with him one day and we're best friends now.

Scott Lenox: 27:02

He is just an absolutely awesome human being. He would give you that raggedy ass shirt right off his back with the sleeves cut off of it and everything, if you ask him to. He's just that guy. He loves just taking people fishing and it's all about just people smiling, having a good time being together on the water and if you catch some fish, great, and if not, you still had a good time because you're with great people and he's just got to be a great friend of mine. He's a really great contributor to our fishing OC stuff. He sends me fishing reports every time he goes and catches something and he's just a wealth of knowledge too.

Scott Lenox: 27:37

His family I don't know if you've noticed his family's been in the ocean city area for like 200 years. Yes, I think he's been around for 110 of them, but his family total has been around for over 200 years. When you hear the name Cropper in Ocean City, that just makes sense. Even people from out of town like you probably know the Cropper name. There's Cropper and there's Mumford and there's names like that that just in and around Ocean City. They're the history of Ocean City. He's a great, great dude man. Love Big Bird, love him.

Ty Backer: 28:09

No doubt We'll get the pleasure to see him this weekend. I'm assuming he'll be here. I can't imagine he would miss it.

Scott Lenox: 28:16

There you go. He's got to try and defend the title this year. He's made it a little bit more difficult for folks. I'm not sure if you know or not, but with his winnings last year they put a trolling motor on his boat.

Ty Backer: 28:31

No shit, I saw a picture of that and it's funny you say that because I notice everybody at the bridge, especially at night, has a trolling motor. But Big Bird somehow has learned over the years to. I don't know if he has it in idle or what he's doing there, but he's mastered the art of anchoring in place without an anchor, with no trolling motor. So I can only imagine how deadly that's going to make him even more this year.

Scott Lenox: 29:01

I don't know how much he's actually going to use it, because we did an episode of the show earlier this year in the spring down at the Route 90 Bridge and I don't think he turned his regular engine on. He used the troll. He had just gotten it so he wanted to play around with it. But he used the trolling motor to get over to the bridge, to fish the entire bridge and then get back over to the ramp. When we were done fishing I'm pretty sure he didn't turn his outboard on at all, but the thing that it seemed with me around the Route 50 Bridge, you've got to be ready with those controls, man, because it's one thing if you're on the anchor and you know you don't have any place to go your anchor lots got to go wrong for your rope to break or the anchor to come loose or something like that Trollen motor.

Scott Lenox: 29:39

It's all up to electronics, the signal that it's got with the GPS and the satellite that's. It can go wrong with the trolling motors nowadays. So he's going to use it, but I don't think he's going to rely on it.

Scott Lenox: 29:52

It's one of those things where he might turn it on when they're working on a certain piling set or something like that. But I think he's better at the controls, like you mentioned, than he would be relying on a trolling motor to sit in one place, because part of the reason that they do so well is because they're always working their baits back and forth and side to side different piling sets and that sort of thing. It gets kind of tough during the inshore classic because all the piling sets are taken up by boats. But he does a really good job of going forward and backward, north and south to be able to work it, so he has a better opportunity to catch fish. We'll see, we'll see, man. It's going to be an interesting thing and with the, with the slot that we've got for rockfish now, man, it could be anybody's game. You got to get lucky and have one fall in there.

Ty Backer: 30:38

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. We had an incident probably two years ago. I don't have a trolling motor on, but I have a joystick and it's got an anchor button and the engines will do whatever it needs to do and it failed. Yeah, it failed. And see, don't talk about that.

Scott Lenox: 30:56

That's what I'm talking about.

Ty Backer: 30:58

Yeah, man, it failed and but I was able to get us out of there. And again, it was newer to me and just messing, but it failed. It wasn't I swear it wasn't operator error, which that my crewmates probably thought that at the time, but it wasn't because I I fortunately I was able to get it shut off. Literally I had to turn the key off and turn it back on, quick, Start the engines and and pull it in reverse to get us out of there and one or two guys almost came off the boat but we didn't. We didn't hit the bridge, the boat was fine, but I ended. We ended up leaving early because I had to limp it back.

Scott Lenox: 31:36

Yeah, I had to limp it back.

Ty Backer: 31:38

Yeah, I, literally it had something to do with the steering as well. So I had to actually steer the boat using my controls to get it back to the docks and get it on the trailer to get it down to the mechanic. So that was, that was. That was one of those moments that makes you a little better, captain, yep. So I definitely that was a scare for us there. And then there was something else I wanted to say too.

Ty Backer: 31:59

Oh, it is definitely a skill. I mean, it's not impossible, obviously, to sit there and anchor yourself on on just your regular outboards, because we do it and this isn't like the standard fishing for us. You know, we we do a lot of jigging and we sit on top of racks or we, or we drift right Out out in the ocean or in the bay. So when we came down here for the first time I don't know when it was five or six years ago to to participate in your tournament, I was like dude, how are they doing that? So we waited till like real late in the morning, believe it or not. I thought nobody was going to be there, dude, there was, oh, eight deep. But I was like you know what? Yeah, I backed right in there, I think it was. It was high tide, so I backed right in on on this. I guess, what would that be? The north side, on the north side of the bridge, and yeah, so it was getting ready to go out.

Ty Backer: 32:54

you're saying yes, yes, yep, yep, yes. So it'd be low tide and it was like I was like you know what? This isn't that bad and really the less you mess with it, the easier it is. You know what I mean. If you sit there and really try to keep it perfect and you get comfortable with it being close to those boats, close to the bridge and stuff, it's really not that bad. But that's where you got to be, I think, especially at night, because you're not going to be drifting at least not for me. I'm not, you know we do. We do drift a little bit, but it gets kind of dark out there in some spots is to just anchor down there.

Scott Lenox: 33:30

Some of the spots with lights you can manage that you know, like in the main part of the inlet now behind Ocean City, where the that the new hotel is that's lit up pretty good, so you could get away with drifting a few spots like that. But other than that you're right, I wouldn't mess with it.

Ty Backer: 33:45

Yeah, exactly, and that's where we're actually at right now the, the Canberra.

Scott Lenox: 33:50

What's it? The Cambria.

Ty Backer: 33:52

Yeah, cambria. Yeah, that's where we stayed here. There's I think this is our third year here. It's very cool.

Scott Lenox: 33:59

They can watch a competition. We're at the window.

Ty Backer: 34:01

Exactly, and it's perfect because our boats right across the bridge here, so it's kind of perfect. Whatever we need to take a quick break or whatever, but yeah, we, we love it down here. Man, I wish we could get down here more often. Janna and I have talked about moving to OC and getting a bigger boat actually because up where we're at, we were about we're maxed out on the size boat that we can get, but I also like being in the Bay, so it's kind of like you know.

Ty Backer: 34:27

I don't know what we're going to do in the next couple of years. It's hard to say.

Scott Lenox: 34:32

It all depends on what you'd like, what you do more of. Like Kristen and I, we fish in the Bay 90% of the time and I'm spoiled, ass rotten, so I get to go do TV shows on other boats. Not everybody else gets to do that, so my decision is real easy I'm going to keep the boat for the Bay and just hopefully keep doing a TV show for another 25 years or so.

Scott Lenox: 34:51

Just invite it on the big rigs to go off in the ocean. But yeah, you're right, Most folks have to make a decision on what am I going to do more of? And I think something in that 25 to 35 range center console, maybe with two outboards on it. You can do that inshore in the Bay and offshore. You know, pick your days when you go in the ocean and then you might be a little bit oversized for the back bay, but there's still plenty of places that you can fish for sure.

Ty Backer: 35:17

Yeah, that's how I feel too. I feel the same way over there in Delaware and the funny thing is is a lot of people think there isn't any fish over in the Indian River Bay and I love hearing them say that and it's like I almost agree with them, like, yeah, you're right, there is no fish. Go out in the ocean, else can't go to the bay.

Scott Lenox: 35:37

Yeah, I tell people there's no fishing in the thoroughfare all the time.

Ty Backer: 35:41

Yeah, right, exactly, and I think that's the only place we've actually caught these in size flounder down here.

Scott Lenox: 35:47

The thoroughfare.

Ty Backer: 35:48

Mm-hmm yeah.

Scott Lenox: 35:50

Yeah, the thoroughfare is the spot. In the spring there's a couple spots down, maybe three or four years the first fish, first flounder, of the season has been caught in the thoroughfare, and then it's usually good up there through June when water temperatures start warming up and then they move in a little bit deeper water and but there's still deep water in the thoroughfare too, so you can catch them in the deeper water of the thoroughfare as well. So it's a good spot.

Ty Backer: 36:13

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. So what if somebody's listening in and they wanted to participate in the fishing tournament? What would they have to do?

Scott Lenox: 36:26

Yeah, so basically we're doing registration on Friday night. Friday from five until seven. It's at the Sunset Marina Activity Room and I've had a couple of questions online just today. Where is that? It sounds like we're gonna have some new blood in the game, which is really good. We've got some people that are fishing for their first time, which is great. But the Sunset Marina Activity Room is at the east end of Sunset Avenue. Go all the way down past Atlantic Tackle and Sunset Grill and then pull into their parking lot. On the north side of the road You'll see their pool complex and there's a two-story building. The activity room is downstairs. We'll be there and we'll have all.

Scott Lenox: 37:02

The first 50 folks that register get buckets and we'll have t-shirts. First 50 folks that sign up also get a t-shirt. As long as they last, we'll be selling some extra t-shirts. I just put the t-shirt design up on Facebook a little while ago. It looks really good. This year Picked a cool color. We picked like a cool blue color for it this year and then we'll do all the signups there until seven o'clock and we stayed late. Last year had a couple of people send me a text message that, hey, I'm not gonna be there on time. Do you mind waiting? And as long as it's not too late, yeah, we'll take you in there because we want the boats and the money so we can do some good payouts. Have a safe last year.

Ty Backer: 37:50

I think I lost you there a little bit. There you are, yeah, yeah Now you're a little glitchy too.

Scott Lenox: 37:56

I don't know if it's your service. Are you on Wi-Fi too?

Ty Backer: 38:00

I am, unfortunately, I am.

Scott Lenox: 38:02

Yeah, me too. You're a little glitchy, but it's not too bad. But yeah, friday 5 o'clock will start. If it's like the last couple years, there'll be some people waiting there and we'll go a little bit early as long as we're ready. But as soon as we open the door we'll start signing them up.

Ty Backer: 38:18

Cool, cool, cool Cool. Of course, we brought some shirts. Dude, I gotta thank you for that again, man.

Scott Lenox: 38:24

You brought long-sleeved tech shirts and hats and stuff. Man, for people. It's insane. I know you get some branding out of it, but damn bro, thank you very much.

Ty Backer: 38:33

You're welcome. We don't sleep on the swag, bro, and it's usually pretty good stuff too. We don't go cheap. I want people to wear our stuff. You know what I mean.

Scott Lenox: 38:45

This is one of my patriotic hats, because of the red, white and blue you got going on.

Ty Backer: 38:50

I love this thing. You got the fitting too.

Scott Lenox: 38:53

This is a nice hat.

Ty Backer: 38:55

Thank you, I'm sorry, I cut you off.

Scott Lenox: 38:59

You're saying what you were bringing.

Ty Backer: 39:01

No, that's okay, I love it. I love seeing you wear it. I love people seeing people wear our stuff, because we want it wearable, we don't want it to be just cheap stuff and we don't sleep on the swag. That's one of our biggest things. One of our motto's is don't sleep on swag. We've been in airports in Texas and I've never been there before and people are like you guys are everywhere. I've been in Nepal. I've had people chase me down and they're like yeah, I've seen people wearing our stuff in other countries. I have no idea how to hell it got over there, but everywhere we go, we hand stuff out. It's been one of our forms of branding and touch points and things like that, and I think most of it's not even because they're using our services. I think most of it has to do with the culture that we have. It's almost like a cult-like following that we've created, and our most recent move is Greenville, south Carolina. We just opened up a location down there.

Scott Lenox: 40:01

No, kidding Good for you.

Ty Backer: 40:05

Yeah, it's one of our newest Kenyans. I saw him in here. He's our VP of operations down there and those guys are killing it down there.

Scott Lenox: 40:15

Fantastic Congratulations.

Ty Backer: 40:18

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I couldn't do it without the team that we have, just like I'm sure you can attest to as well. It's your team, right, it's your team and the people that surround you.

Scott Lenox: 40:30

I'm the guy that gets the accolades just because my face is in front of everybody and I appreciate that. But the tournament when I talk about the tournament, it's me, my wife Kristen and Dave Messick from Hook the One OC. He's my man behind the scenes on the TV show. That's what. There's a reason his business is called Unseen Productions Because he's the man. Well, he's not behind the camera much anymore, but he owns the business that puts John Ben behind the camera with me nowadays.

Scott Lenox: 40:56

But yeah, I mean I got a lot of support with both Hook the One OC with those guys, the tournament with Kristen and Dave and the other folks like you and all of our sponsors, obviously the folks that give us goodies and the buckets and the place to wait to fish and all that. And then Kristen now she's working with Fish and OC as well. We've gotten so busy with the magazine and the website and the rig, well, that kind of stuff. But I'm the one that gets all the hey way to go is because I'm just the dipshit talking in front of everybody and won't shut up.

Ty Backer: 41:30

Right, right. Well, somebody's got to do it.

Scott Lenox: 41:32

Yeah, I don't mind. I guess it's my forte.

Ty Backer: 41:35

That's right, and you do it so humbly, and that's the difference right there. Most people, I think, once they get in front of the camera, either they freeze up or they take it way to the extreme of, hey, look at me, but you've never come off that way at all. You've been a very humble guy every time I've ever met you and any time I've ever talked to you. So it takes a certain breed of person to do what you do, because it's not easy. You make it look easy, scott.

Scott Lenox: 42:04

Yeah, I appreciate that. I hear that all the time. But it's the funny thing for me is, from my standpoint, it's so easy. All I really do is feel like I'm talking to a buddy about whatever topic we happen to be talking about, like tonight. When you said we'll just talk about stuff, I was like sounds great, that's right up my alley man. All I gotta do is start a topic and we can go any direction and I'm comfortable with that, as long as I'm talking to somebody that's engaging with me, like I'm engaging with them.

Scott Lenox: 42:33

One of the things I really pride myself on and has keeping me like I am and how I feel, is the fact that people will see me and meet me in person and they'll say things like man, you're just like you are on TV and I'm like yeah, because that's me. You're watching Scott Lennox on TV and now Scott Lennox is standing in front of you. It's the same. It's always going to be consistent. I'm not putting on some kind of actor trying to act goofy on TV, because I do the same stuff at home with my wife and my kid. You'd annoyed about it, but that's just. That's just me on the television and you know this. Me here is me on this podcast and me on TV and me in my living room at home at night 100%.

Scott Lenox: 43:21

Yeah.

Ty Backer: 43:23

Yeah, no 100%, and you have to be. It's authentic and it's genuine. Let's talk a little bit about your tackle.

Scott Lenox: 43:32

Yeah, man Planted. That's crazy, that's a wow. That's the same thing. I've got to give my friend, dale Timmins, a lot of credit because here's what happened. I'll tell you how the tackle business started and anybody that's watching now or watches this later on YouTube, I tell the same story because it's like we just talked about. It's the truth, it's all authentic, it's what happened and I give credit where credit is due. But here's what happens.

Scott Lenox: 43:56

Dale Timmins had a company called Acetique Tackle. He was making the deadly double, the double trouble, a couple of other rigs for surf fishing and that sort of thing, and he was given Kristen and I about 12 or 18 of them a piece every year because we loved using them. Kristen's favorite was this old purple one that he used to give her. But I got so many damn emails and phone calls and texts and questions what's that you're using to catch flounder? What's that you're using to catch flounder? What's that you're using to catch flounder? All the time and I said, dale, I'm getting sick of these questions. I either got to stop using deadly doubles which I don't want to do because they're effective and they help me catch fish and that gives me content for the TV show or we got to start selling them. Man, me and you get together. How can we do this? Because he sold the company. He basically dissolved the company because he was literally getting a pain in his neck. He was tying everything himself. He was selling it to five or six shops. He was selling thousands of rigs a year and he just couldn't do it.

Scott Lenox: 45:01

Let's you and I figure out a way we can get these made overseas. We're going to go with the components, we pick the rigs, we make sure they're tied properly, all that kind of stuff. And he said I was in his garage. I'll never forget this. Kristen was there with me. He says he says, scotty, go for it. And I was like what does that mean? He's like he went to his file cabinet in his garage. He opened up the file cabinet and he said I'm going to get you a bunch of samples that we used to do. I'll get you the artwork we used to use. If you want it. I'm going to give you the list of all the components and how the rigs are tied with the spinner blade size, the bead size, all of that stuff. He's like and you just go for it, take me to dinner once in a while I was like I hope for your kid. And he said, no, you go for it, you and our good friends, you can do what you like with this stuff. And that was man. That was probably it was 2018.

Scott Lenox: 45:53

I think we first came out with the deadly doubles from the prototypes that we had first, prototypes we had made. And now here we are like insane dude, we've got 30 some SKUs. I've got custom handmade tall jigs in our portfolio. Now We've got a little rockfish rig you know of the thing in the jig that's working really, really well for people. And then we've got, probably, I guess, 16, 17 flounder packaged flounder rigs that people are winning tournaments and stuff with man. It's really really cool, really cool.

Ty Backer: 46:29

That is cool, man. There's no better satisfaction than catching something on your own rig or having someone else catch something on the rig that you designed, made or own. That's got to be a very satisfying.

Scott Lenox: 46:42

Yeah, we use it too. We're not. We're not sell, we're not using the things we sell because we sell it. You know, I've been using this stuff for years and every time we find something that works for us.

Scott Lenox: 46:54

I'm like man, how can I market this? Because I know I'm going to get the questions like what did you catch those on? What did you catch those on? So it's really good. We actually have to kind of keep ourselves grounded because I'm so busy with all this other stuff, obviously, and I'm the sales rep for the tackle company so it's hard for me to call on places. But we've got, dude, we've got 32 shops now, I think five in New Jersey, couple in Delaware, yeah, basically every tackle shop in Ocean City carries our stuff and people go in these places and ask for it by name and that's outstanding. Us and you know Atlantic Tackle Atlantic Tackle is our scale for this weekend. They sell. They sell of the deadly double chartreuse which is there are number one seller. Right now they're number one seller. They sell between 750 and 1000 of that rig, that color and just that rig, and they carry almost every skew we've got. So it's pretty cool stuff.

Ty Backer: 47:56

Wow, wow, yeah, I've seen them there, I've used most of them, I've had pretty good luck on most of them, so I can be a good advocate for your tackle man. Yeah, yeah, I can vouch for your tackle. I mean, it works. It works in Ocean City, maryland, it works in Delaware and I just and that's why I wanted to bring that up, because I know it performs and it does exactly what you've ever said it was going to do, and it's pretty exciting that you know hey, I know the guy that owns this company and we use his stuff.

Scott Lenox: 48:32

And that's pretty cool.

Ty Backer: 48:34

Yeah, a lot of the stuff. You have no idea where it comes from. Yeah, right, Exactly, and you know what else comes with that.

Scott Lenox: 48:42

The other thing that comes with, that is, whenever there's an issue with it. You know, I'm not going to lie, it's a fishing rig and it's being hand tied. So if we have an issue with something whatever the hook didn't make it on the end, or the spinner blade was missing, or something like that we stand behind every one of them. Somebody says, hey man, this happened, which doesn't happen a lot. But if, hey man, this happened, I'm like what color was it? What rig was it? And then they tell me and I replace it and I usually give them an extra rig or two. So they can, you know, see that, hey man, you just got to one off. Don't worry, these things work. Go put them in the water and most of the time we've got repeat customers. The great thing about fishing rigs is man. They're an expendable commodity. You can fish, you're going to bite the hooks off, you're going to get them snag and lose them, and if they're working for somebody, they're going to continue to buy it over and over again.

Ty Backer: 49:33

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more with that. It's with any product that you're selling or producing, definitely if it works, people are going to buy it, and yours definitely does that. So for this weekend, is there anything new or exciting that you want to announce? Or how many boats do you think are going to be the? What's the per size this year?

Scott Lenox: 49:56

Yeah, man, kristen would kill me if I speculated on that stuff, but I do think we're going to have a good turnout and here's what might happen. The weather doesn't look great for Friday into Saturday, but I think it's supposed to clear up pretty good. Right, we've got a little front pushing through. It's going to be chilly on Sunday, but I think this is what this tournament is about. You know, this is a fall tournament.

Scott Lenox: 50:19

People like the change of the season. They want to feel that adverse condition as long as it's not too bad, and I don't think we're going to see that this weekend. We're not going to see anything crazy. Might see a little bit of rain, maybe 10 to 15 or something, and that's nothing. For where the direction of the wind is coming from and where people are going to be fishing, it's going to be blocked pretty good. It's supposed to come out in the Northwest or West.

Scott Lenox: 50:45

So I don't think it's going to be that big a deal and because of the already the questions I've gotten from people that are new boats, we might have more than last year. Man, we really might have more than last year. The only thing that would make me say otherwise is some people that are just kind of fair weather fishermen just like. Ah man, I'm only able to fish on Saturday morning and it's not going to be great Saturday morning, so I'm not going to get into the tournament because of that. But I think the new folks will make up for that and if those people do fish, I think we're going to have. That's why we say the first 50 boats get buckets.

Ty Backer: 51:22

Yeah, right, yeah, you got to cut it off someplace and, plus, have that sense of urgency a little bit too. And with the rain, I don't remember when it hasn't rained. Yeah, to be honest with you, one year it flooded like literally the streets. We could have had our boats in the streets here. A couple of years ago it flooded, just thinking bad. I know it rained last year and I think that might have been two or three years ago. And then when I saw the weather forecast, I wasn't a bit surprised. I prepared for it and it seems like, like you said, the weather is going to push out on Saturday. And then, if you follow the tides I'm kind of a tide follower- it should be.

Ty Backer: 52:05

Yeah, if you look at the tides, it's actually Saturday. You're going to be able to catch the late tide and then Sunday you'll be able to catch low tide at a decent time. If that's what you're going in, like you said, I don't think they're calling for rain. I think 8-12 is low tide on Sunday. I can't remember what Saturday's high tide was, but it was later in the afternoon or evening. So I think it's going to be perfect. It always seems to work out. At least for me or our team, it has worked out. But yet we've gone. I think we've gone to the scale once with like a 17 or 18 inch flounder. But I'm going to put our team under a little pressure here and say that I feel like we're coming hard, we're coming heavy and we're coming to the scales here.

Scott Lenox: 52:53

Glad to hear that. I'd love to give you some of that money back.

Ty Backer: 52:59

That's not why we do it, but that would be kind of good. Good thinking, good thinking. I'll put the pressure on the team then Like I said, man authentic. That's right. That's right, that's right. That's awesome stuff.

Scott Lenox: 53:11

Yeah, good luck man, you know there's pretty stiff competition out there, but it's a fun tournament. Man, it's a fun tournament. We've been putting it all on. I think people really like fishing it and, like I said, we couldn't do it without you.

Ty Backer: 53:25

Heck yeah, no shit, like we enjoy doing it. Man, I love being a part, I love having an impact on things people, places, businesses and I feel like this has just been one of those outlets for us to be able to have impact, even though we're not here all the time. But for us, this is a special time of year. For us. We pull the boat out. You know, next week we'll get the boat out of the water for the rest of the season, till spring, and it's just a good way to finish the season. Be around good people.

Ty Backer: 53:53

Like you had mentioned earlier, everybody on the water seems to get along. There's no bickering, there's no drama. You know we all come in and we help each other out if we're running short on something. I've had people give us stuff. We've had that couple of years ago. They noticed when we were having boat issues, there was people that were willing to pull us in. I mean, we all pulled together, even though I'm not a local to Ocean City or anything like that. But it doesn't matter. When we're on the water, we're all fishermen, right? That's right and it's cool, vibe, it's cool thing, it's great. You do everything that you do, scott. It's just amazing. And when I grow up, I want to be just like Scott Lennox.

Scott Lenox: 54:30

See, I tell her, but I want to be just like TC bagger.

Ty Backer: 54:35

No doubt, no doubt, brother, no doubt. Well, we're just about at that one hour mark there, man. Is there anything else that you want to let everybody know about this weekend coming up, or what they should be prepared for, or anything? Yeah, you know what.

Scott Lenox: 54:52

We'll announce this now. I'm going to announce it in the captain's meeting on Friday night too. But this is the final year for the no anchoring rule. You know that no anchoring rule where you can't, we're going to keep it in place where you can't tie off to something. But that rule is antiquated now. Man, with all of the trolling motor technology that's out there now and most everybody's got one. We don't want one group to have an advantage over another group.

Scott Lenox: 55:17

So that's kind of why the no anchoring rule was in place in the first place. What happened was people would go down there, they'd throw their anchor two, three hours before the tournament started. They'd stay there the whole time and then what they'd do is call their buddy over and throw them the anchor line so that people couldn't move in and out of those spots. But now with trolling motors, people come and go places, move around. So we think people that aren't allowed to anchor are now at a disadvantage to the folks that have trolling motors. So we're going to get rid of that rule next year. We don't want to drop it on people this close. Kristen talked me out of that. I want to let folks know. So we'll mention it at the captain's meeting on Friday night too, and then it'll be moving forward, it'll be gone from the rule book.

Ty Backer: 56:00

Awesome. Now that's good. That's probably a good call that you didn't just pull the trigger on it this close to the tournament, but throwing that seed out there now and then Friday night at the captain's meeting, it's probably a good idea to maybe even throw it out there a couple times throughout the course of the year and stuff like that. But I didn't. I didn't.

Ty Backer: 56:18

It was worth making it Okay, there you go. Yeah, because you figure mostly everybody will be back again anyhow. So those are the people that you want to get that message out to sooner than later.

Scott Lenox: 56:28

Exactly right, and they got a whole year to decide whether they want to fish or not fish because of the rule change. But I don't think it's going to affect anybody.

Ty Backer: 56:35

Yeah.

Scott Lenox: 56:36

Like I said it was, it was something we allow anchoring outside the six mile an hour zone. So why not allow it at the 50 bridge? And if you want to fish for tall golf or six street or something, then you know. It just makes it easier. Plus, we don't have to worry about any protesting or anything after that. It's funny because when I went at the awards banquet last year I asked that question and I got about half and half and it's the people that said, hey, should I get rid of the anchoring rule? The people that raised their hand know, or everybody that owned a trolling motor.

Ty Backer: 57:06

Yeah, bet, all right, yeah, but yeah, I don't know how I feel about the trolling motor. To be honest with you, I guess I don't put myself in a situation where I don't think that I would need it. I think I've been able to maneuver the boat well enough without it. Now there has been some times out in the ocean where I wish I would have had it, because either there is no drift or there's too much drift. You know what I mean and, believe it or not, it's been flat. Flat is ice out in the ocean already, where it's kind of like, you know there's no movement whatsoever. But but then you try to take advantage of that and park yourself over top of a wreck and just sit there and jig all day.

Scott Lenox: 57:45

Yep, yeah, that's it. So, it's nice because you push that, you push that spot lock on the, on the, on the remote and you just want to worry about moving. You know, it's just a. It's a game changer when it comes to not having to worry about you. You obviously got to be paying attention, but it's fishing the jetty in places like that really is. It's nice.

Scott Lenox: 58:07

And you don't have to worry about throwing a 20 pound anchor overboard and pulling it back over or getting it stuck and losing it rope and all that kind of stuff and the convenience of being able to just turn it off, move 20 feet and drop it again and you're and you're already anchored. That's. That's why it's a game changer in my book.

Ty Backer: 58:24

Yeah, for sure. I'm sure if I used one it would be definitely I'd change my mind about it, but it's just I don't know. I guess I've gone so long without one. My buddy, glenn, who will be with us, I think on Saturday. He recently, I think just put one on his boat. He said it is a game changer.

Scott Lenox: 58:42

Yep, that's what that's the term I hear. Every time somebody puts one on, there is game changer. Just because of how it moves for you. You know when you hit spot lock, if you get out of position, it'll put you back in position. That's what's cool about it. You just like I say you got to pay attention. It's a couple of times I've had some kind of signal loss or interference and then be next thing you know you're drifting toward the bridge and you got. That's why I always leave my engine and idle while I'm doing it, so I don't have to start it trying to fire it in gear. And I recommend everybody should do that.

Scott Lenox: 59:12

Fishing around the Route 50 bridge. If you're in the ocean, that's one thing, where it'd be to drift off a spot. Or if you're at the jetty and you drift off the spot, as long as you're not moving toward the rocks, no big deal. But when you're fishing at the Route 50 bridge, you know 99 times out of 100, you're fishing away from the bridge with tide going toward. If it's, something goes haywire you know this is a personal experience Something goes haywire, just doesn't work. You got to be able to just kind of put the boat in gear and get out of there.

Ty Backer: 59:40

Yes, exactly, exactly. Yep, yep, yep, and sounds like you knew. You know that from experience. No doubt I do.

Scott Lenox: 59:47

Yeah yeah, kristen gets a little nervous when we fish around the bridge, and she's. I still haven't gotten her to stay long to try. That is rock fishing stuff.

Ty Backer: 59:55

I got to do that on my own because she just she doesn't trust that troll over there, mm, hmm, yeah Well, I would imagine it takes a minute to get used to it as well. Absolutely, you know, to get comfortable with it, get used to it that it's going to do its job and something that small can actually hold a 24 foot boat or 25 foot boat in place. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty amazing, it's pretty main, cool, awesome, brother. Well, it's always a pleasure when we get together. I look forward to seeing you this weekend. We'll see you Friday. We'll sign up for the Calcutta, we'll drop our shirts off, our hats this year, our TC, tc, bagger swag and yeah, man, I look forward to it. Man, I'm ready to go.

Scott Lenox: 1:00:37

Yeah, we were really looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to a great turnout and tie. Thanks again, man. I'll thank you again when we're in person. But we couldn't do this without you. And not only can we not do it without you, you just you elevate the event to a different level. Because of the stuff you help provided to the participants and the money that provide the sponsorship. We're able to put like almost all, if not all, of the prize money and Calcutta money back into the tournament so people get paid. Well, it helps us pay for the dinner and the trophies and all that stuff, man. So thank you so much for doing that. And with YAD and stuff like this and the things you put in the buckets is just you make it really really great for us, man. We appreciate it.

Ty Backer: 1:01:16

You're welcome, man. It's our pleasure. Believe me, it's definitely our pleasure. Thank you for everything that you do for the community of Ocean City, maryland, and Thank you.

Scott Lenox: 1:01:29

I will continue to do it as long as they'll let me.

Ty Backer: 1:01:32

There you go, man. There you go, there you go. Cool, good stuff, man. Well, I'll see you Friday, man, have a good evening, safe travels and everybody. Thank you for tuning in every single week for episode One, ninety seven, we got a big one coming up 200, episode 200 getting ready to Yep. Three weeks, almost four, four years coming up solid every single Wednesday. We have not missed the Wednesday. Not one time Does it matter what's going on. Yeah, man, yep, yep.

Scott Lenox: 1:02:03

Like you said, dude, consistency Next going.

Ty Backer: 1:02:06

Yep, that's what it's about, man. It's about the consistency, brother. That's right, man, cool. Well, you guys have a good night. Thank you for tuning in, scott. I will see you Friday.

Scott Lenox: 1:02:16

Friday brother, Thanks much.

Ty Backer: 1:02:17

Yep later.